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Goku (dragon fall)vs goku(dbz)
Topic Started: May 5 2016, 02:39 PM (1,351 Views)
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May 5 2016, 07:34 PM
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May 5 2016, 07:21 PM
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May 5 2016, 04:18 PM
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May 5 2016, 04:16 PM
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May 5 2016, 03:02 PM
To be fair, dbs has god tiers at ten times the soured of sound (ssjgssjkkx10) and their strength cap at around 1000 tons (Vegeta ssj vs Magetta). How's Dragon Fall in those departments?
Sosón Goku is barely above human level in terms of strength and speed, but he can survive nearly everything, very Looney Tunes-like. And believe it or not, he's actually even more retarded than DB Abridged Goku. Remember how Freeza asked Abridged Goku how he functioned, being so stupid? Well with Sosón Freeza wouldn't ask that question. Sosón Goku doesn't function, he's on par with Patrick Star when it comes to stupidity godhood.

Fun trivia, Freeza is homosexual in Dragon Fall and when he revelead that in front of the main characters, all of them went: "No s***.", even Goku was kinda sarcastic in his own stupid way.

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Oh, huh, I guess Goku from DBZ wins.

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Latest manga chapter had Vegeta say that Magetta must be over 1000 tons, the way he said it implied that that was incredibly heavy for him.



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Magetta could've been pressing down too, not like he'll just let himself be lifted. What speed feat? Him crossing the ring don't prove anything about him being sound level. You noticed that they seem slow to us but to the other characters they're perceived as too fast? Hit moving that "slow" is just for us to see what the heck he's doing.

Even The Flash seems like he's "slow" but going mach 13 is much faster then what any normal human can actively keep up with.


We have a specific time frame, .1 seconds. We have a good idea about how big the arena is, and it's no where even close enough that light would take a whole .1 seconds to reach it. I mean you say they're light speed, how big would the arena have to be for light to cross it in .1 seconds or more? It'd have to be 29,979,245.8 meters. Just look at the arena, does that seem like it's anywhere near 30 million meters? or even 1 million?


I don't even know why you think I used that argument, seriously where did you get that? Where did I give off that impression?


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Is that arena 30million meters wide? Are Cabba and Vegeta kaiju now or something? I sincerely doubt they became that large, so the arena must not be millions of meters in diameter.
Hit took .1 seconds to cross it, and Goku became ten times faster at best through ssjgssjkkx10. Vegito has convinced me they're the speed of sound, but I doubt they're the speed of light.



Now that I'm looking Magetta didn't do anything to stop Vegeta until he straight up punched him. So... yeah. A thousand tons (or around that) is too much for ssjg level Vegeta. And Magetta didn't even really do anything to stop Vegeta.
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Next panel is just Magetta hitting Vegeta, he doesn't even seem to be putting any weight onto that leg.
You not hearing me, .1 stuff is the duration he uses to attack before the opponent sees what's coming, that has nothing to do with his speed. While the viewers can actively see what's happening between two characters who are around God territory, while others can't except the Gods who've proven they move MFTL.

Magetta could've been pressing down still, and I forgot that was SSJ Vegeta not SSJB Vegeta, and since SSJG level strength is able to attack with universal force then SSJB is much stronger too.
One: Bulma can see what's happening just fine.
Two: No, you're not hearing me, even if they skipped presenting Hit's rush during the time stop, he still took .1 seconds to get over there, and didn't have enough time to punch Goku multiple times. That's a very clear limit on speed. I am not doing this based on how he looks while running, I am doing it based on the information given to me and the size of the arena, and while the arena requires me to guess I have a good range, and that range is nowhere near a million meters.

"Could" isn't good enough. Vegeta "could" be holding back. The moon "could" be made of cheese. Magetta "could" be pressing down, but it sure has hell doesn't look like it, nor is it stated or implied that he was. And Vegeta's base is ssjg level isn't it? Or what is Whis's training then? Just useless stuff to mess with him, and off screen he just farts god ki all over him? If we're gonna go that far we may as well go all the way and say part of Whis's training was having them one shot Elder God Deamonbane with their pinkie while eating Simon's head with their nostrils and tap dancing to kill the Living Tribunal in base. After all, they "could" have been doing that and everyone else is just that much stronger.

I do not want "could" I want "Is." I want definites, not hypotheticals. If I wanted to see what they're hypothetically capable of I could always just write up something, read fanfiction, or perhaps get an rp in the battlezone going. In Other Versus, I'm allot more strict on what happens.
Yeah, in their standstill she can.

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...uuuh, I think I need clarification, what are you responding to and what are you trying to say? And are you still on the while audience perception thing (which is completely irrelevant as the speed feat in question doesn't have anything to do with our perception of motion)?
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...uuuh, I think I need clarification, what are you responding to and what are you trying to say? And are you still on the while audience perception thing (which is completely irrelevant as the speed feat in question doesn't have anything to do with our perception of motion)?
Point 1 and 2.
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Once again, explain? She could see through out the entire tournament what was going on.

So basically you're telling me dialogue directly stated by the characters...is audience perception. Am I getting trolled here or is there something I'm missing?
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May 6 2016, 01:29 AM
Once again, explain? She could see through out the entire tournament what was going on.

So basically you're telling me dialogue directly stated by the characters...is audience perception. Am I getting trolled here or is there something I'm missing?
Show me what you're referring to first, some dialogue.
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Once again, explain? She could see through out the entire tournament what was going on.

So basically you're telling me dialogue directly stated by the characters...is audience perception. Am I getting trolled here or is there something I'm missing?
Show me what you're referring to first, some dialogue.
When Jaco explains to Goku what the time leap is, they explicitly say he can freeze time for .1 seconds, once Hit makes it to .2 seconds, the way he talks makes it sound like he increased his ability from .1 to .2. So I'd he starts the time leap, goes to the other end of the arena (to Goku) and then begins a punch before time resumes, then he moves the length of the arena in .1 seconds. It doesn't matter "What we see." It happened. Period. They could have cut to my little pony for 15 minutes when he froze time, then cut back when time resumed normal flow (which is when he got punched by Goku), and it would still be a fact that he crossed the arena in .1 seconds didn't have enough time to lay down a combo.


It's clearly explained to Goku here.
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May 6 2016, 11:08 AM
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Once again, explain? She could see through out the entire tournament what was going on.

So basically you're telling me dialogue directly stated by the characters...is audience perception. Am I getting trolled here or is there something I'm missing?
Show me what you're referring to first, some dialogue.
When Jaco explains to Goku what the time leap is, they explicitly say he can freeze time for .1 seconds, once Hit makes it to .2 seconds, the way he talks makes it sound like he increased his ability from .1 to .2. So I'd he starts the time leap, goes to the other end of the arena (to Goku) and then begins a punch before time resumes, then he moves the length of the arena in .1 seconds. It doesn't matter "What we see." It happened. Period. They could have cut to my little pony for 15 minutes when he froze time, then cut back when time resumed normal flow (which is when he got punched by Goku), and it would still be a fact that he crossed the arena in .1 seconds didn't have enough time to lay down a combo.


It's clearly explained to Goku here.
it doesnt make sense since goku could still move while he used kaioken when hit froze time



I think he was just extremely fast for 0.1-0.2 seconds.

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That goes against what they literally just said in that video.


The way I'm saying it from what we're given, he freezes anyone that isn't thus much more powerful than him, it's barely a time stop, much like Nox's own time slow and time stop.


It's not a speed boost, the way they talk about makes it clear that somehow, Hit can freeze everyone but himself (and presumably the gods). That's the farthest we can get away from the idea of the time stop.
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if the time stops goku should have been also stopped and yet he moved like it was nothing, while using kaioken



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A localized time freeze that can be muscled out of is nothing new in fiction. It could very easily be something similar to Zarrko's chronal tech
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if the time stops goku should have been also stopped and yet he moved like it was nothing, while using kaioken



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You did watch the episodes right? And again, not all time stops are created equal, just look at Lazerbem's post.

I'm becoming less convinced you actually watched DBS.
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if the time stops goku should have been also stopped and yet he moved like it was nothing, while using kaioken



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You did watch the episodes right? And again, not all time stops are created equal, just look at Lazerbem's post.

I'm becoming less convinced you actually watched DBS.
I watched it but it makes no sense.


If time stops, no matter how fast you are you will stop too.


Goku didnt stop at all, and thus Hit's technique didnt even stop time at all



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if the time stops goku should have been also stopped and yet he moved like it was nothing, while using kaioken



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You did watch the episodes right? And again, not all time stops are created equal, just look at Lazerbem's post.

I'm becoming less convinced you actually watched DBS.
I watched it but it makes no sense.


If time stops, no matter how fast you are you will stop too.


Goku didnt stop at all, and thus Hit's technique didnt even stop time at all


I agree that it isn't a true time stop, however speed boosts do not freeze characters and cost then in what looks like a gem substance or whatever. I consider it a "soft" time stop, less actually stopping time and more freezing everyone that isn't a bajillion times stronger than you.
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